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Which Quotient Reigns Supreme - Mark Tay | The CJH Podcast EP14

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hi we have Mark today and we're going to

be talking about IQ EQ and all the rest

of the queues so Mark I sent you an

article and I read this recently and

this is quite interesting yeah

so we have IQ and EQ and there's also

this thing called SQ and AQ Singapore

Airlines uh yeah but it's not SQ

Singapore Airlines is actually this

thing called social quotient not a paid

post yeah

and uh adversity quotient so the funny

thing about these four uh I'm interested

to understand for this is like

uh the article talks about IQ being

great when it comes to this whole

measure of level of comprehension you

need IQ for mats memorize things and all

that EQ everybody kind of knows it's uh

it's your emotions how do you understand

yourself and things like that but then

this is called SQ social quotient

um it's the measure of the ability to

build networks of friends and maintain

it for a long time what is interesting

in this part it says that a man with

high EQ I'm sorry a man with high IQ can

end up being employed with a person with

high Ike

okay a man with high IQ can end up being

employed by a man

with high EQ and SQ even though he has

average IQ if you have a question yeah

okay my question is yeah does it is is

this still valid I mean are we really

really I'm not trying I know you went

through this whole thing we're going

through this post sending it to me that

I'm definitely right before this this

session but the thing is I'm wondering

like does it still matter that's I said

is it is it really like can we really

Define it down into like what is IQ what

is EQ is it still maybe the word is it

still relevant is my question yeah from

what from what you're saying is it is it

still something that makes sense or is

it just kind of like an Antiquated funny

say that correctly Antiquated term what

does that mean uh

you sell but then maybe got a chance

that it's expensive but High chance is

not because it's good TV I don't

actually I've never watched that episode

I don't watch the clips on uh socials

but antique

oh yes this is like some uh super

expensive Rolex

yeah okay okay yeah but do you think

it's an Antiquated term yeah so I really

could be using it wrongly by the way

after the whole entire

but yeah do you think it's do you think

it's relevant no I think it's extremely

relevant now um the only issue now is

this whole idea of IQ we measure IQ when

some people measure IQ and young do you

ever got the IQ test the one that I

failed at is it no I don't know do you

ever get measured I think

33 right primary three operators right

for Jeeps Jeep is a bad term sorry is it

is that a drug education program

no I know I know but is it I don't think

GDP students are like gifted program

people no but yeah is it like Jeeps like

I said some terms which are short form

and then right I'm not going to say them

what they are but yeah I think it's okay

that's okay yeah so um for all you gep

people out there no offense yeah I think

it's irrelevant uh

because a lot of the things last time

when it comes to school is actually even

not about IQ let me think about it no

but as in as in but isn't it isn't oh

you're right yeah sorry because yeah the

academic so you can be very good in I IQ

but you can also be academically smart

yeah but you can also be yeah low in IQ

but you can be academically smart

yes correct right so or you could be

like low in IQ and and academically not

very smart yeah yeah exactly yeah many

people I know like that so um IQ uh is

about how yeah so we were saying so

you're saying that IQ and and academic

performance is not necessarily linked

right I don't think it's necessarily

linked I think um a person with low IQ

with very high work ethics and then

trying to memorize everything will be

able to score well an exam correct

correct uh and maybe something sometimes

a person with very high IQ might do it

easier right they just kind of memorize

things easier

so they catch Concepts fast they see

patterns fast they see everything okay

yes right so when I see this concept and

I'm kind of like okay so you know some

people in our class last time it's like

they don't study one and then they score

well oh so I thought you meant that was

like me

oh no that's not yeah okay so in your

Universe okay so in your University you

do what comes uh yeah mask off okay you

did mass comes and then uh for whatever

reason yeah somehow okay you did well ah

yeah right without much studying I mean

in comparison yeah

who may have studied more I got I wasn't

there beside them so I assume I can't

say that they but yeah it seemed like I

well you shared me the story before

remember yes I know but I feel very bad

because I don't know whether they

started very hard either I just know

that maybe I picked up the concerts a

bit faster yeah okay so within IQ I do

feel that it is important I was watching

this

wake up coffees

are they quite High I have no notes yeah

yeah I really did yeah

so so um so there are people in class uh

in school that don't really study they

catch Concepts fast they kind of see for

example some DOI DX thing emacs thing

and they just catch it

yeah differentiation thank you

integration

yes yes something like that right yeah

that's the that's the that's the that's

the music music note yeah so what is

what is interesting for this I do feel

that

um School

uh okay so so this is a concept uh IQ

cannot be taught

you have it you have it you don't have

it so it's genetical sorry it's genetics

yes so it's Heritage genetics and it's

everything in between yeah so the funny

thing is that then if you think about IQ

then everybody is kind of like set on

your caliber you have a certain caliber

let's say you're an a degree yeah a

you're an a kind of iqb or c i q right I

don't know what kind of change on a

can't really change but with a lot of

hard work you can do very well in school

a lot of hard work you can do well and

work and all that yeah so the funny

thing this article is talking about is

that actually if uh the people of high

IQ might not be the ones that will be

the ones that uh get promoted uh lead

the organization it is all about EQ and

SQ what do you think

yeah

no no

I think no I think definitely you need

some IQ I mean I think it definitely

helps it gives it helps you I mean if if

what I'm guessing is right because the

thing is that this is what happens when

you don't have a lot very very high IQ

okay you don't really you're not able to

really process what that means but the

feeling that with very high IQ you're

able to kind of like you said patterns

right you're able to kind of exercise

patterns extrapolate from set patterns

and understand a little bit more what

similar situations maybe perhaps people

I'm not sure but perhaps people with a

high IQ might be very good at history

maybe understanding or like ability to

understand that this has happened before

and this is how it can happen in the

future I just watched this uh show on um

I only watched first episode so please

don't spoil us uh it's on Apple TV it's

called the foundation

it's a show about this guy who's a

mathematician yeah and he's able to kind

of not video created the end of the

world and then everybody's like you know

but then you're basically causing like

social unrest was like no it's not that

it's it's math math tells me this is

going to happen you can you can't stop

it yeah you know and stuff like that so

it's it's kind of so something about

like uh every uh there's the same thing

every civilization Falls in around 200

years something like that something like

that so that that so the concept of

maybe if you have a high IQ you'll be

able to see it in that way uh in a very

practical sense perhaps maybe not that's

a very factual pragmatic sense not so

much in a very emotional yeah or um I

don't know maybe

feeling kind of way maybe but that's why

I so so I I think that definitely

there's an element of iqeness that's

required but to climb to climb like to

climb but I mean like as you would know

uh climbing in an industry or in in any

organization is not just about how smart

you are how you are your job a lot of

times if you're very good at the job

it's very difficult for your line

managers to put you into a different job

because your demo is a job why would I

move you out especially if you kind of

enjoy it like you don't that's a

different thing because you know we

talked about whether you have you're

having Peak Performance whether you're

actually or whether you're just burnt

out because of you know you've talked

about that before whether it's burnt out

but you're good at it but you're just

you just doesn't bring you Joy it

doesn't bring you like energy

um but yeah so in general that is a very

different thing so in terms of moving up

there is a definite importance to

um EQ EQ National potion and social

culture yeah because because a lot of

times moving up equates to eventually

managing people yeah it's very very rare

you move up that okay there may be

called solar when you move up quite far

as a single contributor but generally

it's two with management and management

means you have to understand how to deal

with people both your reports as well as

the managing upwards to the people that

you're you're dealing with because

different people have different styles

of how they work so that's I I feel that

that's quite important the SQ thing was

what social is it social how well you

build networks over time how well it was

okay so the thing about social that I

put no but it's also the same in a

company the it's it's how do you

socialize with the people around you

correct and who do you know and how do

you put yourself in positions where the

people who are who can get you the

promotion or who is the like almost The

Gatekeepers

to where you want to go yeah you know

them correct and you know them well and

to a point where they have a positive uh

feeling of you I mean the same thing uh

we we think about is that you can be

very good individual contributor but you

want to climb up there are usually two

paths even in the Ministry of Education

uh there's especially specific Minister

yeah because they they always tell you

like okay which path do you want to go

as a teacher you can go oh leadership

path that means management or you're

gonna go to specialist it's an issue you

become uh the the hod no no he's really

still manage Training Center hit for

example that means you're specialized

you become a Lead Teacher I think uh

specialize in that specific subject like

geography for example but you don't want

to manage

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yeah that's how joke teacher yeah

country rock oh my goodness okay

so um yeah so uh when it comes to

promoting yeah getting promoted yeah it

has to do a lot about emotional quotient

that means your own emotions and then

the emotions are other people and the

social quotient

yeah yeah of course I mean definitely

there's an aspect of that I I think that

uh before I go on also a shout out to Mr

Lego

uh the other thing is it's our job

teacher we had two jock teachers in SEC

three SEC four yeah I think she's still

teaching

hope you hope you are doing well

so uh I think the social part I think

people sometimes okay so actually about

the social quotient but that's actually

one of the aspects I think people are

feeling quite a fair bit of um this

dissonance from in the in in the modern

workplace especially with hybrid work

environments because you I didn't

naturally humans okay this is really a

bit generalizing okay I'm not I'm not a

scientist I'm not a scientist uh

Scientologist well I'm not a scientist

I'm from a scientist I'm not a

researcher and everything but I know

that from what we've has been read what

I've read before I learned what has been

read uh what What's been what I've read

before essentially humans are naturally

very uh sociable creatures yeah we are

always looking for some sort of

community we're always looking for some

sort of tribe that we can call our own

yes and when you are now like separated

in the sense of like you know work from

home and everything and then not being

able to build that Community within your

work environment it causes a little bit

of well some people say burn out some

people say other things like maybe even

going to anxiety depression because you

just don't have that contact yeah that

kind of is one of the things that I

think would affect an individual with

um very little uh you know with with

maybe a a pension for maybe like some

sort of leaning towards more social

culture yeah because they would not be

able to flex that part of their psyche

everything is a spectrum right so

imagine these three intelligent quotient

IQ EQ and SQ we all have

um it's almost like we have hundred

points we spread out into different

areas yep right so some people have very

very low IQ yeah yeah and they might

have um um we probably call them uh some

kind of a disability

with average would mean that okay so if

you have average then if you want to

climb then you need to up your EQ and SQ

yeah and if you don't have that then you

need to learn skills based on your econ

SQ like asking the right person like

asking the for example a high IQ thing

will be able to solve a problem for

example yeah I'm just assuming uh a high

EQ people solve a problem on your own by

established by and with with the

information that's provided but if you

don't have a very high IQ you can't

really see how to solve that problem you

figure out how to work with someone

who's able to solve the problem but

maybe isn't able to for example get the

Buy in from the rest of the team to

actually get it done

so you work with them in that way that's

how you kind of still find success

together yes yes I think social uh sorry

I think sqeq is really a lot about the

whole uh the the the the the needs of

all it's really about more like

community in terms of everybody needs to

succeed together it's not uh I will win

on my own

um because it's tougher yeah so EQ so

what you talk about if the if I have a

problem I can't solve then I need to ask

somebody so if I ask somebody with low

EQ

this challenge I have I'm not sure

whether you can help me out oh okay

right so you you um you empathize with

that person are you busy now things like

that you know over the phone you're like

uh oh do you have time uh are you busy

now did I catch you the right time

that's all EQ is it

am I respecting that person's feeling or

am I respecting the person's emotional

state yeah because if we know people who

don't care about that yeah then we just

like uh just get this done

and then like yeah yeah they don't care

they don't say please thank you they

don't say like yeah I think it's they

don't care about doing that it's not

that they don't care right because the

truth is yeah yeah it's just they don't

care about that or they that EQ part is

very low for that yeah yeah yeah they

need either hacks or strategies to say

that so some strategies for a person

with very low EQ would be like okay I

must remember to say thank you and

please but to other people that's very

natural yeah that's true and apologize

all the time yeah and apologize and yeah

yeah things like that so what is

interesting

um is it the last one or you yeah yeah

no before I go to the last one there's

an AQ but before I go there there's also

this thing called intelligence there's

different kinds of intelligence got

pictures

no I I didn't say why do you

how come you you

have no I am such I already have a small

screen okay so let me just share with

you so so when it comes to IQ

um this guy called Mark Vettel uh he

came up with this theory of multiple

intelligence so we talked about IQ of

multiple intelligence

no how sorry not by so the types of

intelligence um the theory of multiple

intelligence is by Howard Garner

the guy who drew the picture is it I

think so

yeah I just credited somebody else

so within IQ if you think about IQ we

all gifted in different things so that

is very much my alley when it comes to

strengths uh we are all I believe that

all of us have probably two three

mountains and thousands of valleys right

so the two three mountains you are good

at is going to be different from mine I

think Mr Lego and Miss nachu will argue

about that what do you mean by two three

mountains and multiple valleys no where

does a valley end what do you mean no

valleys basically means

mountains like round right oh no

mountains like like that right yes so

everywhere around the valley right below

the mountain now yeah so how you say

hundreds of valleys or thousands of

valleys I mean like no you can have

valleys that it's like uh if this is

your ground level yeah okay you can at

least you don't have

you don't have to yeah maybe that's a

ravine is it

okay anyway coming back so there's a few

kind of uh IQ intelligence by this guy

called Howard Ghana so there is

existential which is uh tackling of

questions I feel intelligence or just

existential existential intelligence

there's logical but this guy got how

many six antenna whatever four I thought

too many years this is breaking up

within IQ oh sorry the normal IQ that we

kind of know of is like patterns it's

about like uh puzzles you know like you

go you know you take those Mensa tests

last time and it's like oh can you solve

uh these are the three patterns what's

the next pattern that's IQ tests

the dot next right yeah so there's

logical mathematical which is talking

about that that IQ we talk about

qualifying uh quantifying things making

hypothesis and proving them yeah then

there's also musical IQ oh

so people who are gifted in music so

either writing different kinds or

Discerning sound pitch so some people

are tone deaf or some people are perfect

pitch for example perfect perfect okay

you give them a note Destroyer you know

okay I'll give you a noise

[Laughter]

I don't know man I really don't know I'm

not I'm not yeah then there's naturalist

understanding living things and reading

of nature that's another one right so

some people who like this will probably

gravitate towards that geostaffa

naturalist naturalistic naturalist yeah

understanding living things and reading

of nature of course by sure and spatial

visualizing the 3D World what is this

picture for the spatial guy a hiker no

no it's okay it's okay

yeah but then then like then then

there's linguistic Linguistics is

finding the right words to express what

you mean then there's body kinesthetic

body constant is all coordinating your

mind and your body would that mean life

like yeah yeah so so

um body kinesthetic could be people who

are yeah just basketball players

gymnasts and things like that okay so

that is their Mountain that is their

intelligence right then there is uh

interpersonal sensing people's feelings

and motives that sounds like from here

sounds like the SGS SQ okay okay

yeah right and then there is intra

personal understanding yourself oh and

what you feel and what you want well

that's important

so for everyone

the beautiful thing about it is that

having done profiling for so long

everybody is good at one or two of these

oh okay yeah so it's only one or two

yeah I I don't think it's very common to

have some somebody who has so many but

they're all on IQ man it's all under

um

they call it um the theory of multiple

intelligence I might call it strengths

yeah okay yeah right somebody else

whatever works for your gifting yeah

somebody calls it your passion but it's

kind of like similar things what you

gravitate towards that gives you energy

basically yeah yeah so some people music

is like I don't listen to music some

people it's like music is my life right

so that's IQ So within IQ there is

there's a whole part of it uh yeah any

thoughts on this just on the music part

because we're just on it anyway just

just were you the why was it you that

actually doesn't really listen to music

yeah zero at all right even now yeah wow

but of course with the with radio and

with the kids and everything yeah you

listen to them but you ask me do I enjoy

listening music uh like like just like

listen No it's like zero ten is a one oh

so okay so it doesn't affect me it's

like what I feel that that's what

happened what happened yeah it's like

whether you have it's like when you go

party then there must be music but other

than that I don't need music why does

there have been music at a party yeah

it's the atmosphere it creates the

atmosphere so you don't need an

atmosphere created like yeah you

generally you're quite that's why that's

how I yeah so I don't need like uh to

listen to anything on classical music or

like any kind of not nothing so there's

the two things about that one of them

was I I had a friend of mine

um who uh whose grandfather used to be a

principal

uh grandfather used to be a principal in

a school yeah and during recess he would

play classical music over the PA because

apparently it lowers the stress level or

like that like there's a lot of

classicals

studies yeah I found it because he tried

doing that because he was working with

working restaurants together so he tried

doing that played it throughout break

time and I went like who is playing

uh but yeah so I I mean it depends on

even for kids it works um so so that's

one and I think that is I think I

personally feel like

um I am very affected by the things that

are by the sounds around me so much so

that when I if I'm working like I know

that people who

um can work with music yeah well I

really cannot like music's honor it has

to be uh music that doesn't have lyrics

actually more about lyrics I think it's

really more about words the minute I

start hearing words I get very confused

yeah I I cannot I'll be like listening

to it for a while and I just get very

distracted there's very if it's and I

also hate music which is the song that

doesn't have the words you know those

[Music]

but then this is actually a plate thing

like people playing oh I really can't do

that it would block me because I will

know what words I suppose inside there

and then I'll be like okay so just be on

instrumentals okay yeah instrumental is

fine but then it's just but in general I

don't like music because it distracts me

a lot yeah I don't know when there's a

good thing or bad thing maybe I'm just

very easily distracted yeah so where I

was going for was yeah so I think that

it's interesting thank you for sharing I

think

I think it was interesting to have all

these different aspects of things I I

think you're right it probably is a

combination of one or two only probably

wouldn't be more than that uh I

personally think that for a person's

um

uh a person's like General well-being is

really more about the intro the one that

you have here intra personal

understanding yourself because

that's the one thing I think not enough

people spend time doing by really

getting understanding who you are

because if you always look outwardly to

you know like what is my what is my

colleague doing or to like what what did

my parents used to do what is my sibling

doing yeah it can be and everybody's

different right it can be very difficult

to actually find

that um calling or maybe even find what

makes you happy because that's a very

big thing for me I've always I I know

it's very tough it's very tough to

actually really identify what it is that

makes you happy and gives you that kind

of like energy and that joy and so

understanding what it is it's a it's a

long-ass journey man yeah so some people

like that you know do you know I mean

you I think it's what you're doing right

now because you mentioned before this is

your what what really gives you energy

what what your your actual work is

actually what is what gives you that

energy and your kids are your kids yeah

I like how you didn't I like how you

didn't jump in with your kids I had to

do that for you

because if you understand if you

understood this is paper surface or

something yeah wow

okay okay it's different I think it's

different really you think so I think

that it's the I know so so for example

tell me what you would mean what would

that would mean so intrapersonal uh

understanding yourself or what you feel

what you want are people who are very

um so if I talk about uh using the

profiling Clifton strengths then

probably people who are very

intellectual loves to be deep in thought

thinking about oh you don't mean you

don't mean like thinking about myself

you just think thinking a lot uh no deep

in thought thinking about uh personal

stuff

you know like think about personal stuff

like um like what color am I going to

wear today

so it's like just understanding yourself

like what you said uh what is my joy

what do I like what I'm not like and

things like that so people are just deep

and thought like um they like to think

and reflect and introspective but

wouldn't that everybody's like that

right you are some people yeah true yeah

so we have friends who are not like that

yeah so who journals very few people do

you journal and there was a time when I

tried a 30-day challenge to journal yeah

I did that so what do you do about it

you write a journal yeah should you

write entries just what do you write in

a journal entry sorry I've I've been

told about this what do you do with it

so there are many ways uh many people

have uh different Frameworks it's just

about putting your thoughts down but in

general there are many Frameworks for

example it is you can go with the limia

kind of way in terms of timing so in the

future what do I want in the past Water

Wise all that kind and in the present

what I want today you know the kindness

you write that down because the idea is

that you uh you are you're solidifying

it yeah so the idea is that if you write

it down you when you see it it's almost

like the feedback mechanism you're

looking at it in a different eyes right

because your brain is not

your brain is not meant to store things

it's meant to process things to create

things to innovate so you can't store so

when you are storing all these things

and there are many things when you

Journal then everything goes down then

you see it it's like oh I never saw

those two connections before okay so

that's journaling okay so that's intra

personal uh a little bit similar to

existential tackling questions of why we

live and why we oh [ __ ] yeah yeah yeah

sorry that that too sorry I missed that

one yeah that one yeah so that's the

essential yeah so then that's uh the

idea of also

um why are we here why do you think

we're here Jason on Earth

I answer the question how you want I

mean really really why do you think no

real question real question how why do

you think we're here

so there's a religious uh standpoint yes

of course right so there's a religious

standpoint and it's a non-religious

thing okay so religious standpoint uh

Christian would mean that you're here

because there is purpose for you there

is a call in your life yep and your most

fulfilling life would be to live out

that Court got it and what that call is

is uh is that tension so some people uh

are always finding that call and they

can keep finding a call until the 70 80.

oh okay right but along the way they

don't have it they don't find it so some

you don't know what your call is or

sometimes you find it or sometimes your

call just keeps changing so it's almost

so Dynamic to the point where it's just

are you where the creator has put you oh

uh in the right place at the right time

okay gotcha so maybe I was working a

dental clinic last time that was my call

last time okay then last time then now I

am doing coaching yeah so along the way

it changes so there's one uh living uh

the will of your creator uh draw your

life right so there's one the

non-religious I would think would be

this whole idea of joy

okay that means uh we are here to I to

have joy and to give joy right then we

talked about it the last time how do you

get joy yeah do things you are built to

do and you help out somebody you uh you

you do charity of lunch

so you're always there to improve uh

somebody else's life and you're also

there to improve your life which is joy

for yourself so working in a job that

you really enjoy is doing something for

yourself working for money just to buy

something expensive yeah

then there is lower meaning yeah

you the the highest meaning would then

be the intersection of Allah that means

like what you really enjoy doing is what

you can help other people yeah and

people pay you for so pay performance

and passion yeah yeah what is your

thinking uh yeah I'll get to that one I

think one of the things about it is and

I was actually talking to some people

about this earlier you know not earlier

sorry a few days ago uh but do you know

the whole like

like people saying that they're working

for purpose they're working for you know

the stuff like that yeah

I mean it's

well I don't wanna because I'm not I'm

not trying to say you shouldn't uh but

it gets very difficult I would say for

individuals who maybe haven't who Maybe

you know haven't really reached a

certain level in their careers or in

their work where they can feel a bit

more comfortable to even have those

discussions

because it's like I mean I would love to

figure out whether I'm actually working

towards a purpose I care about but I

actually just really am trying to make

ends meet trying to pay off the bills

and everything and it's quite it's quite

unfortunate that it's quite difficult to

find that space I think that's what you

already that's what you generally cover

yeah when it comes to the other the

other um sessions that you do the other

content you put out yeah but yeah that

is actually uh you're right A lot of

people uh give me a flag for that yeah

so when I say this kind of things like

really yeah they do it so the comments I

have you have haters yeah the comments I

have is like for example nice good job

oh good if you have haters like for

example find your passion Follow Your

Passion live out your calling and all

that yeah so the comments will be things

like uh oh this is what rich people do

yeah or so if you're wealthy you know

that then you can do all these things

yeah if you you don't you're not then

like that's the worst advice possible

yeah which is correct right when we

think about it it's like hey actually

there is a there's a Muslims hierarchy

or need if you can't even do food basic

food shelter and all that then don't

even think about the top one with

self-actualization yeah right the funny

thing now is that that food and shelter

and all that is a reset we're very very

fortunate I mean that's right because we

are first world then self-actualization

has a bigger part in the pyramid than

that food and shelter so it's instead of

that as being the peak and everything

else is here it kind of looks like now

the peak is I want this more and I don't

mind having less of that

which is sustenance which is Pia um yeah

so it is a challenge and everybody is

different yeah I think I think that one

it needs a deeper discussion into it but

that's okay that's for another time but

I get you I get you I see where you're

coming from yeah but then in terms of

yeah so I mean I think that with all the

different aspects of um intelligence

intelligence is actually quite an

interesting way of looking at it I mean

it's yeah I mean the guy did a graph I

guess it's it's going to be it's legit

yeah

somebody put it in infographic I guess

legit yeah

yeah so what's the other picture you

have is that is that related it's the

same it's the same oh the same picture

the one you had was way better yeah so

this is uh zooming into IQ yeah so IQ

have the mentor IQ which is really I

think just about logical mathematical

yeah right uh but then this goes on to

everything else this also covers the EQ

and S because I don't want to I don't

want to generalize but I feel that

someone can I see that one again I don't

want to generalize but I feel that

someone with logical mathematical

intelligence may not have body

kinesthetic

I'm just not trying to generalize just

saying that maybe you maybe might not be

able to uh you know

is probably uh yeah Sports people can

catch a baller catch a ball coordination

like I mean like muscle memory yeah

again I'm not trying to generalize but I

think for many of the individuals who I

saw who perhaps did very well

catching a bomb I know have been the

priority on the list of things to learn

in school you know PE was probably there

they are just more like an excuse to

like do something else so that was that

was

IQ EQ uh SQ then there's one more which

is interesting they said there's the

fourth one it's a new paradigm so it's

called AQ and AQ is adversity quotient

the measure of your ability to go

through a rough patch in life and come

out without losing your mind Tiger Woods

whoa you don't know the reference

yeah okay so rough patch anybody who has

around no no no no no no no his game

not not his life for his game the one

thing about Tiger Woods is the reason

why he wins so well is because it's not

that he's a great player he's a great

player but it's because he's damn good

at getting out of [ __ ] situations he all

his most amazing shots all his iconic

wins you know that one where you know it

had the have you seen that one shot

where he basically from the side he

chipped it in and then it went like 90

degrees to the hole and then it rolled

and then they zoom in the ball tilt that

stop at the whole Nike logo was there

and then dropped in oh no oh yeah I need

to see it but that always was the most

one of those iconic shots that he did

okay came from the worst one of the

worst shots of the day right he shanked

it big time you know so it's like he's

very good at saying never mind move on

move on to the next thing you know it's

it's it's it's yeah yeah so I think

that's cool it's good that there's

somebody I'm hoping this guy is legit

but it's good that they actually put it

down because it's true I think the

ability to be able to get yourself out

of the [ __ ] [ __ ] situation I guess about

the funk is really because sometimes you

get into the spiral man and then you

just like everything sucks yeah yeah so

so uh I'm sure they're gonna come up

with more accuser what do you think

let's talk about this first

yeah so adversity ocean I do feel that

um uh uh so who needs to thrive in

adversity quotient I do feel

entrepreneurs yes right so um you are

faced with challenges and you just need

to overcome them so for example covet

was a challenge uh now so I just

recently went to Johor and there was

this mall last time it was like bustling

it was called aeon

yeah so there's Paradigm all there's

like um

like before covet yeah bustling bustling

totally like what crazy now like 75 of

the shops are closed oh man there's one

big like um uh blown up uh Castle there

and like that's just for the kids to

play it's huge LA but everything else is

like um

[Laughter]

foreign

demolish or most of the time they just

renovate yeah and then you renovate and

then you Rebrand and you rebranding like

a couple of million dollars just to do

that so

um as an entrepreneur you're faced with

a lot of adversity right I do feel that

there are definitely others uh other

jobs that will of course yeah but but

it's the idea of okay I filled in this

doctors yeah doctors why because you I

mean like surgeons

people who actually go and really try

and help people you know ER doctors they

go through they go through horrible

situations every day yeah you know call

center people

the people who okay what do you call

them tell it no they're not

telemarketers call centers call center

Personnel I don't know what do you call

them I think it is

yeah call center Personnel yeah yeah

those guys have to go through like a lot

of evf to be able to have a thick skin

yeah people in Singapore yeah no

Singapore Services service sector

service service sector you can you get

waxed so hard every time work so hard

nobody respects them it's just it's so

bad because I mean that that's another

conversation you need to go through this

High AQ yeah uh would be able to like uh

water off a duck's back yeah when

adversity comes but some people will

drown yeah and that so that is an

interesting Paradigm and that's an

interesting question that they came up

with I don't know who this guy came up

with yeah it's not bad issue that's

actually quite interesting I mean I

don't know but you know the thing about

it is okay I agree with you first of all

I'm not good I'm not I'm not trying to

be contrarian I totally agree that

that's a that's a real thing that people

go through when the points of the of the

entrepreneurial kind of space in truth I

think you said this once before

uh logically it doesn't make sense to be

an entrepreneur

it makes it's like you there's something

about if you want to be an entrepreneur

if you want to be a business owner and

start something up something in you must

basically say that I don't care about

you know a lot of things that most

individuals would care about like

stability like you know um maybe buying

nice things and stuff like that you look

at the end of the road of course there's

a possibility that you make Bank you

sell your company or whatever you make a

lot of money sure that's a possibility

because you see people like Elon Musk

you see people like what's the guy from

Amazon Jeff Bezos like oh my God Donald

Trump no that's not him so Jeff Bezos

and you know you see them and go like

wow look at them you know doing so well

you know you don't know the hours and

hours and days and months and years

but uh that that so because of that the

whole AQ thing definitely has to be a

massive part of it you have to be able

to just like not care half the time yeah

because the world is going to tell you

not to do it everybody if you anybody

everybody is going to tell you not to do

it anybody who's this yeah go for it is

probably going to say like you just try

first they see what happens right yeah

um but yeah I think that that's one of

the that is really you know in important

uh uh a quotient of All Sorts no one

question that I had though

okay so I know the IQ can be tested yes

tested with the Mensa test and

everything yeah but it's the standard IQ

line yeah we talk about just now the

multiple intelligence yeah it's

different so what about e U yeah is that

a test I think it's a test okay then SQ

or number of friends you have on Friends

the notice what I said Friendster yeah

Myspace no the number of friends you

have on a couple of followers on IG

can't be that all right what's your

social I mean technically social

quotient if you look at it in the

marketing deck might be to do with

number followers but but you know I mean

engagement rate I don't know but yeah so

I'm just wondering like what like is

there a test so so even more so and I'm

not I'm I'm just just coming from the

point of there is a test for this yeah

oh this is so Singaporean of me [ __ ]

um there's a test for IQ yeah the sort

of is a test for EQ

is there a test for SQ what would a test

for AQ be is there a version this is new

right so what would the test for aqb

would it be I'm sure that all can have

all can be tested but it's all

self-verified self verified yeah that

means like um one cell check on Silver

yeah no that means

I think I'm very high EQ so so don't

tell me

what the heck no so it's a

self-perception thing which they

probably will ask you questions about so

for example uh do you have trouble for

SQ okay it could be the question could

be do you have trouble uh keeping

contact with your friends right or uh is

it difficult for you to reach out to a

long time friend or five years well like

randomly yeah saying just what's up no

like like yeah just connect back is it

difficult without something like you

might want to sell them something yeah

okay no so you know or when you see

somebody uh that you know from 20 years

ago uh is it difficult for you to uh

have a conversation so let's all ask you

you know the thing about it though but

it's all self-evaluated then they will

probably have they'll probably have a

kind of like a numbering system and a

weightage for each one and then they

Benchmark you to probably if they're

good then they'll Benchmark you 10 000

people have done it I think I think the

main question is I think it's probably

like what is the question to I mean I've

I've I've noticed this pop up on my feet

a lot on social media like they always

say like this Business Journal Review

actually I know I think it's only one

that's Business Journal reviews Harvard

right so this this what this review that

reviewed this book that book says that

this is the one question you should be

asking new hires this is the one

question you should prepare yourself and

then I think it's really about fine I I

don't have the questions but I think

that it's really about identifying what

the question would be for so it's like

what you said you know how how difficult

is it because this is you came up with

it you just came out okay but how

difficult zero to ten uh or zero to five

usually then five years

then then uh if you say very easy for

all because it's self-evaluated your

friends all your friends will say that

this person is the worst person yeah

that's the thing that's the thing yeah

you can't because IQ to some degree is

like you can yeah Benchmark against like

ability to solve puzzles like let's just

say that okay

if you want to simplify it I mean which

now we're realizing maybe it's not the

only thing but then EQ is to do with

another person as well you know oh yeah

even excuse to do with another person

how do you dictate whether it means to

all the rest all your friends

because you call your best friends

thanks so so I think only IQ uh is one

that you can kind of like there's um

there's a set of questions and the set

of things where they can ask but the

rest all self-evaluated

it's very unfortunate no I think there's

a way that we can actually do this you

know

I mean I I see that actually the

challenge like EQ like be able to like

quantify I don't know here actually you

know I'm the last person who cares about

exams and everything but somehow I would

like to be able to you know

now you know no so this is

self-evaluated that's the thing

no that means you own self-check on self

so basically yeah but I'm just saying

that then your friends might think that

you are [ __ ] at being a social networker

so you can say yeah but I think I'm damn

good yeah and then there is one but

so that's that

so so that's the next cure is the arcula

realistic ocean yeah

how realistic yeah

based on that how real you think yeah

how

um

so you're not realistic and you're not

realistic the opposite or realistic in

the in your strengths what's the

opposite release there's no there's no

opposition there's no obseries yeah no

if I instead you are uh realist or

futurist is it no no

releases now right releases that means

you're realistic to what's happening now

because the context release futurists

look at that man do I need to go through

a course nope but I still know this I'm

sorry yeah I still know these strengths

yeah

yeah

so coming back uh

do you have do you have a correction

quotient inside might tell people

they're wrong no okay yeah this video is

saying no again

yeah sorry yeah I don't think there's uh

that yeah I think they are tests but

they're all self-evaluated uh the market

can tell you whether you're right or

wrong

but I have zero friends yeah possible

youth position by the way by the way I

have very isq to nobody

as soon as possible

yeah so you're realistic or you're

delusional

oh DQ yeah maybe not like that's not

that that's not yeah so anyway yeah so

yeah so these are the four I'm just okay

so the reason why I'm asking is more

because like let's just say we have

um let's just say we have all these

understandings that they maybe uh

perhaps because this is obviously we're

working on uh something that we've read

uh IQ which which has been kind of very

well known EQ which we kind of know as

well quite a fair bit SQ and AQ which

now we have all these four yeah actually

the one thing in terms of like if if you

want to utilize this understanding it's

more to do with perhaps you need to

think about how your social quotient is

perhaps you want to think in terms of

like moving forward in your work perhaps

you might want to think about what your

social quotient is how do you define

that and what exactly that that that

entails it's not there's no real set in

stone kind of like metric because it's

not like you have to take a test it says

your SQL like 27 upon 30 then you can go

and send to your future boss and they

say oh oh yeah

it's just consider how you work socially

consider how you adapt

ation I'm trying to say like if for so

the Practical aspect yeah the Practical

aspect of this is you've got to consider

your social

uh propensity perhaps or capacity and

then also maybe your adaptive is it was

it adversity I would say adaptive and

more than adversity but yeah adversity

you know like how you're able to kind of

get over problems hey when you fall down

have you fallen down recently

what no literally no no no no no

physically fallen down like like trip

and fallen down oh yes yes scooting

what reason yeah like what months you

sleep no like I sleep but I caught

myself back okay so you actually haven't

fallen down

when's the last time you fell down I

don't remember okay

it's okay

no really really because because I fell

down when the heck was it I think it was

a few weeks ago and it was a very dumb

reason why I fell okay it was really

just like sleep yeah like off the

pavement or something and then I somehow

didn't catch properly yeah and then I

really went like not face planner just

in front of the sideline bum right and

then I was like wow the feeling uh you

know when you're younger right you got

lots of I felt very years ago right now

what yeah well this was like it was a

painter like incapacitated you know I

was on the floor like whoa what the heck

happened

like and then I was more like so it was

more shocked in than anything else that

how is it that I heard so badly now yeah

it's like knockout you know really

couldn't move it next time worse man

Nissan is like yeah I just gotta tell

you that it really sucks so is that your

adversity quotient that you can like oh

is it yeah if that's going to be a

measure I'm damn [ __ ]

so and then saying like yeah ask

yourself what's the last time you fell

down because I really you know I thought

that no problem and I think maybe

because I'm also quite clumsy like helps

me to kind of learn well really it hurts

you know it's so so painful I don't deny

that yeah I want these days

but then you then you glasses first well

yeah so you don't break your glasses but

it really no pain no it'll be like well

but then no marks you know maybe you

feel very loser you know of course if

you got one or ten

you like yeah yeah yeah failed but they

don't have anything I think you were

like what then everything internal no

maybe it's just mental maybe you didn't

fall oh my God it's horrible sorry

anyway uh yeah okay RQ is one of the

other ones but yeah we're going to that

later if you want to go no I wanna I

wanna pick your brain on this whole idea

of social quotient and the whole idea of

network okay right yeah um do you feel

it's important when it comes to uh

um just in general moving ahead in life

social quotient uh yeah so I I

oh yeah definitely I think it's very

very important I think a lot of the a

lot of myself in particular I mean like

who am I right some random dude right

but essentially for me personally

actually I never answered the question

yeah who am I some random dude yes

so I ask you that because for if I were

to rate you you are highest

did not sound like raid what second one

yeah in Social quotient and emotional

quotient okay so if I was to think about

you know sitting and all that too sweet

uh you are like a host so you're like a

horse where

um people feel comfortable with you

comfortable with each other they feel

taken care of so when

and I I don't have that I don't have

that very high EQ uh lower SQ I feel

okay but for you is like um where do you

learn that so I think growing up uh

so one of the things that my my dad

really taught me a lot of things a lot

my my dad growing it's a lot to do with

parents right and and a lot to do with

your school your parents and everything

in your in your childhood growing up but

a lot of things that my dad told me many

many things both good and bad uh but one

of the things that really stuck with me

was how he always used to remind me that

uh your network is the most important

thing in your life because it's not so

much how good you are and what you do

it's who is around you to work together

with you to actually see it to the end

you know how how how how what kind of

help would you be able to lean on what

kind of people will be able to support

you uh who are the people because you

cannot succeed alone you have to you

it's other people whether they're going

to give you work whether they're going

to help you as support vendors support

staff and everything or whatever whether

they're going to just come in and

contribute whether they're going to give

you like any kind of like you know

backing of any sort or open the door

open the door even the door open the

door the phone call all of it is to do

with your net work is not to do with how

good you are your job you can be the

best at your job but you piss everybody

off nobody wants to help you you go

ahead and then set up your own little

island somewhere because nobody's you

know because the world is very big so

your network is really important and I

think that that was further reinforced

in my mind when I also became quite

clear to me that academically I wasn't

exactly that intelligent oh I see I need

to learn

and also one other thing which might

seem like a very very very very small

thing but growing up um one of the

things about me is when did you start

wearing glasses

do you remember sick

the second one second one yeah so like

14 years older yeah I think that was 14

13 14 years old I started wearing

glasses when I was three years old

even now you freaking love are you

serious yeah three years old can you

imagine when it's younger yeah can you

imagine correct can you yes can you

imagine your three-year-old having

glasses how messed up that is apparently

my mom told me and it only recently is

my mom and she said there'll be some

days you know where you were at three

years old you'll be standing by the

you'll be standing around because you're

a three-year-old right I think you take

off your glasses

against

you put it back on

[Laughter]

and then I have to go and get you

another pair why did you do that because

I'm three years old

okay I'm a kid dude so anyway because I

wore glasses since I was three when I

went into probably a lot of people made

fun of you yes so I went to two so when

I went to I was first of all I was I was

fortunate enough to go to the nursery

okay right so I went to Nursery at three

is it three I think three and at three

years old I was the only one wearing

glasses in the class yeah Not only was I

the only one wearing glasses in the

class the only other person in the

entire school who was wearing glasses

was the principal so I was like e who's

this guy with the glasses don't friend

him yeah the weirdest thing you can ever

say don't friend him other people say

that to you no they say to other people

because they don't want to send me one

oh yeah

and then the only other people that I

would be able to sit with would be the

other people who are ostracized

so you have people who are like either

like maybe a little bit larger yeah yeah

maybe they smell a bit funny right so

everybody who kids just make fun of yeah

so we all they get into the the

ostracized table Yeah Yeah so the so so

uh for me it's more like glasses like

right yeah but then it's like I also

didn't release I I mean like what to do

and pretend so you just you kind of get

used to hanging out with people who are

all kind of like pushed to the sidelines

you realize that not like everybody's

got their own different quote going on

and there's nothing really wrong yeah so

I think that that's kind of over time

when I as I got older then I got a bit

more height in me and then like glasses

became not not a weird thing yeah and

then also you know like the whole braces

thing I was wearing braces for the

entire of my secondary school and also

remember most people like one year two

years they start right I worked for four

years it's supposed to be two years only

yeah I worked for four years why I don't

know yeah I do remember basically yeah

four years I work for four years set one

to set four I work for four years so

when I finally like kind of like taller

and I don't know why there was a time

when I did when I when I when I when I

uh I think because I was trying to avoid

studying for my old levels I did a lot

of went to the like gym a lot I used a

lot of weights and everything yeah and

after I remember my first week when I

came for orientation uh in uh in JC then

I I was singular I was like whoa holy

[ __ ] is that mean that race is gone the

glasses like okay A bit better and also

been cooked already

what's going on man then became a little

bit more like accepted into the whole

popular culture and then but because of

all those years of being ostracized I

was like oh no then take care of

everybody which is why I've always

thought it's very important to whatever

the case whoever is I'm speaking to I

have to it's it's my duty to treat them

as equals and individuals because you

know it sucks though it sucks to be

ostracizer you know for best because you

wore glasses yeah okay I was [ __ ]

blind now okay I really was blind when I

was younger my mom my mother explained

she said you really couldn't see [ __ ]

you run into Wars on so yeah I was quite

blind so and these apparently like my my

my my degrees are so bad that now

they've improved the next you know yeah

now I got I think my long-sightedness

anyway

so um so yeah so the point is that

that's why I think it's very important

and that's why so that that drove that

that made me feel a lot more how I

wanted to I needed to care about the

people around me that interpersonal

level yeah then my dad's point about how

network is very important help me

remember put that as a priority in terms

of what to do you know

um he also used to say one thing about

how like uh to do Sports well obviously

they really didn't sit very well with me

because I'm horrible

I mean like you want to come there as a

sport it's a bit it's a spotlight yeah

but you know what I mean it's like you

should do like team sports like right

Rugby Football swimming you know oh no

not just swimming we should do Sports

because he actually had a line one of

this he said to me was if you are doing

well in school which obviously that that

first line already failed you're right

if you're doing well in school and

getting A's in school I rather you spend

less time studying and get a B because

you still pass and spend the extra time

that you didn't study doing sports why

because sports are more important than

your studies that was his point

because Sports teaches you social social

teaches you how to fight for for uh

adversity for adversity question teaches

you how to com how to your build your

network better nobody builds a network

studying I mean I don't know the people

are never studying like today

not really I'm not that kind of time

okay let's just I said camaraderie yeah

[Laughter]

no pushes you towards a goal yes and

it's a team goal yes preferably a team

goal because you it's about

sportsmanship it's about it teaches you

things like sportsmanship it teaches you

things about integrity winning and

losing and winning and losing how to

lose and being okay with adversity yeah

if you lose how you pick yourself back

up because it will happen more often

than exam at the end of the year you

lose more often in sports than you lose

that exam that's true so it was so he

used to have a very very very big

emphasis on that unfortunately I was

doing not so great in my studies in the

first place so I couldn't like not study

it not my spots

um but yeah I mean that was a very big

push so because of that I made it like a

priority in my life to make sure that it

was always going to be something that I

would want to push to do like be better

at

um building the network every single

person I mean it's like okay you know I

I welcome you into my life with a very

open warm right um uh Embrace um that's

weird but very open and warm because no

matter what I feel like I learn from

people then that on top of that also

made me go like the unders I think also

one of the things it's like the the the

want to understand people better because

I also think that I'm not the smartest

guy in the room obviously yeah so

understanding what everybody does and

what makes them tick is going to make me

feel it's going to help me understand

how to make them uh how what what makes

them happy as well so I can kind of like

know how to

so that's kind of then that also led

into like when my past life when I was

used to be uh interviewing for magazines

and everything so the questions used to

be very different it was like here's a

cute list of questions but I'm actually

going to ask something they've totally

different depending on what the question

would be and because of the way that the

questions were asked I was told because

of the ways the questions are asked

because of the way that the the context

has been set because of even just the

pace of conversation and the ups and

downs of how it's meant to be yeah it

presents it creates a much more uh

welcoming environment to just be a bit

more open and then you get the you get

you get that real

um connection with people because people

if they feel like this it's a safe place

to have a real connection with you and

you don't just like oh yeah I would

begin and run away yeah but you really

like communicate and you spend that

space with them yeah that helps to kind

of build that bond which is which is an

intrinsic Bond you cannot it's very

little break then people like oh you

know this guy did the I remember you

because of the interview yeah it's

usually like that's very interesting

because I've gone on podcasts for where

I know the interviewer doesn't give a

[ __ ] about me

okay so whatever yeah yeah

it's almost like you can feel it that

the insincerity that non-genuine yes

that I don't want you in my life you're

wasting my time I'm just using you for

whatever it is we're just you're just

here because of that and then it's

almost like I don't know if I'm gonna

break it down scientifically it's almost

like they're not engaged with you yeah

they don't if I really break it down

right there's no active listening that

means like they they're not like

agreeing with you they're looking

everywhere else yeah they just like

they're not on something else like

they're just like a Wheeler and it it

sucks though it feels it feels really

sucky yeah putting my putting my my

sliding more like uh conscientious hat

on when it comes to individuals like

that it could also be that they're just

not really the person for the job they

just really don't they're not good at

that job but they're the only one that

was asked to do it yeah maybe they just

look better in a jacket or maybe they

just sound a bit better and they think

oh they're the ones who are

um confident enough to be in front of

the camera right right because a lot of

people who are them not don't want to

make sure okay every video so everywhere

your camera you like basically this

place like big brothers

here like you do a lot of stuff I mean I

don't mind being about camera but you

really like what [ __ ] that was that

wasn't me last time yeah that wasn't you

last time correct correct I didn't like

that but the reason I'm on camera now is

because this whole idea of Legacy yeah I

get you yeah if I if I die tomorrow

which one of our schoolmates just passed

away yeah unfortunately yeah if I die

tomorrow then the Legacy I have is that

the videos will continue impacting

people that's the only reason I get you

yeah

do you ever do you ever wonder like are

you ever very worried because of that

concept are you very very ever very

worried when you say anything stupid on

videos yeah definitely yeah because I I

think

um

the greatest fear when I first started

out is like you say something stupid

yeah so then that's okay right so after

a while you get numb to it it's like

okay

you say like uh so too many times things

like that yeah or you say something a

bit off then it goes to the second

greatest fear is that you go into a

topic where you uh it's so sensitive oh

okay you can get canceled yeah yeah so

that's the next tier uh how you look and

all that that's the first tier the

second tier is like the the

the content and there's some content

that you you can't really yeah it's um

you're trading container yeah yeah so

then that's the that's the fear

um I don't know whether I still have

that I I do feel that sometimes I'm very

careful yeah but that's your job yeah so

it's like okay so maybe that one cannot

say maybe this one cannot say in a

different way yeah right yeah so

um yeah I think yeah I think I I've

always wondered whether that's something

that would be a concern for you yeah it

is it is yeah what do you think is that

if you don't mind what do you think is

the dumbest thing you've actually said

like is can you actually repeat the

dumbest thing you do like I'm very sure

the first thing time you said I mean

it's gone out already and then that's a

really dumb thing to say

like you know like cats are stupid

let's give you something very neutral

I'm not sure what do you remember any

don't remember no I think no that means

it's a good one

okay so those there was time um also

recently one of the tick tock uh live I

talked about the caliber of people so

there are some a great people yes in the

team some B grade some secret yep a c

grade cannot be an a grade okay

but you regret seeing it uh so it's it's

questionable that means it's almost like

that means so what I am hopeless then

afterwards what does it mean so what

that means is that okay so if you're

doing a particular job yeah there are

some people who are far more talented

than you naturally even or maybe just

skill skill Talent uh they pick it up

faster than you so they are a okay right

got it and a can go into 100 really fast

okay okay right they are naturally

tempted let's see and it can't really go

into b or maybe maximum you can go a

little bit more you can't go into a okay

right so B maybe you can go a but B you

cannot go 100a you're not naturally

talented okay so when I say that people

I I felt that people were a bit

discouraged because what if I'm a c yeah

so I'm C then how that means that's

that's my lifeline Then I then I thought

about it and there was another question

that came out it's like actually you can

be in this particular field ah called

for example design okay you might be a c

okay somebody else is an a yeah but in

another field called Excel spreadsheets

for example una yeah and then that

person is a c so we are all different

calibers in different fields and the

field of design Excel spreadsheets

numbers so similar to this so it's like

for for example uh music you are more

musically inclined you and a and I'm a c

okay let's just go with that yeah right

but maybe for something else I'm I'm

higher maybe yeah logical okay

I like to think in the Frameworks and

all that I'm maybe an uh a yeah right

maybe yeah and then but for you intra

interpersonal yeah sensing people's uh

feelings and motives you are an A plus

plus or you are 50a and I'm an F okay so

it's difficult possibly possibly you're

getting better yeah so so I think we are

both really good at body kinesthetic

though

a triple x

yeah so I said that and I I felt that it

wasn't complete

so I say that I thought it wasn't

complete and I felt that I left some

people a little bit yeah uh hopeless but

then when I went on to the next one I

realized that actually you're a caliber

there are 100 different fields in the

world okay right probably 100 uh and

your caliber you will be in a few only

okay and there's nothing wrong with that

and then that's okay so then it's kind

of like uh I kind of saved myself after

doing that okay yeah actually he says

yeah I think people don't actually I

think the truth is that people don't

like hearing bad news but it's in like

like there's nothing you can do but I

think it's so same thing Follow Your

Passion yeah a lot of hate for them but

but the truth is that

sometimes it's you sometimes there's a

need for a little bit of a reality check

yeah I think the biggest danger I

remember I saw I I listened to this

podcast uh stoicism stoicism stoicism

stoic coffee and one of the lines was a

bit that it's like the danger is not

about doing a job you hate right the

danger you have is doing a job that

you're kinda good at but isn't actually

what you're supposed to do yeah which

stops you from actually doing what

you're supposed to do so you're really a

B plus yeah B plus plus edit yeah but

you actually are a triple something

somebody else because of this deep it

stops you from going to pays the bills

it does everything oh yeah it's that uh

what was it oh crap I I I would love to

be able to describe it but I can't it's

like what's it beta something Paradox

beta

fret ah something I got him this way

it's something it's a it's a it's a

thing that basically means that because

the current situation isn't that bad man

I'm gonna really be pissed off because

I'm so close to sing it yeah but because

the situation isn't so bad it stops you

from it actually makes it worse for you

yeah if it was actually a worse off

situation that makes you get out of it

and make a change for that yeah but

anyway yeah yeah

so okay I think so I think it's very

interesting that there are different

that that the coercion thing is being

broken up you know I I while because of

the very because of the very Singapore

Asian side of me I would love to be able

to know if there's some sort of test I

can take that's preferably free or just

makes me have to click and send my email

address to them for the answers but um

which I'll use of course the random like

uh the random email address that I keep

just for those reasons but I would love

to build but I I I see like it's not

possible I think it's just really more

about being aware that there are certain

other traits of a personality that you

know need to be considered when it comes

to why you may not be achieving what you

want or maybe how you could be achieving

more right yeah what do you think you

would do if you let's just say you say

you're saying that your EQ below is it

yeah so EQ I I think EQ low SQ I think

is a little bit higher okay yeah yeah so

let's just say EQ low then you you're

saying use the IQ side yes so let's say

I'm above average or average for IQ yeah

how do I understand uh EQ yeah then he

has to go through here so a lot of

people when they watch movies and then

they cry do you are you sometimes yeah

sometimes so I never do that yeah very

rarely unless like when the last time

you cry a movie cannot remember

that's like 1998 maybe watching 1999 I

don't know but I'm just saying did you

cry at it very very rare I mean it's

like it's more

um when people watch and they can

connect here yeah and they feel it here

actually then uh the emotions comes up

uh I need to understand it here and

that's why I do one thing that you

really don't like is I put a ruler for

everything yeah so everything for me is

every zero to ten yeah that is my hack

for EQ I don't know how pissed off you

are with me why you help yourself to

that yeah from skill zero to ten how

affected are you by what I say just now

then you like no lies one okay I get it

yeah if you say Nola I have no clue yeah

because Nola or okay La is everything

else if somebody says oh there actually

that's uh eight yeah oh then I know oh

[ __ ] the [ __ ] hit the fan I need to do

something but yeah so that's my hack

yeah try and put rulers onto things yeah

you know what's the interesting part I I

used to get very irritated but then now

I've just said to you now I've just said

to you that uh actually we I wanna I

would like to know that there's a way to

calculate what's the value of AQ and SQ

which I thought I'm not using the

account password I don't give a [ __ ]

about this yeah yeah but yeah I mean

anyway I I think that I think it's

interesting to be able to utilize those

I think there's more to talk about maybe

with this or maybe to something else but

but I do feel that uh in general the

take home is that there is emotional

quotient that is important in life uh

social quotient these are two things

that and also the adversity I think IQ

is basically you have it you have it you

just need to hone it find out which one

is which one is yours but the rest can

be learned through books through people

and through different hacks like

different strategies that you can try to

do yeah yeah I think it's true you have

to kind of you can't expect to be 100 in

every single One Direction like you have

100 points yeah how do you assign just

very nice like using a character in a

game yeah but then if you actually have

a lower one on this you need to utilize

the others to kind of balance it out

yeah you need to use that to balance out

the rest correct yeah okay cool yeah

right I mean like I I don't know whether

I'm I'm gonna have another conversation

with you again but it was nice to uh

yeah we have another conversation hey

don't be so precautious

okay man till next time

is that what we're going to end with

till next time I don't know maybe like

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